June 24, 2025

Waterworld (1995) – Sinking Budgets, Soaring Stunts, Kevin Costner's most Challenging Role and the Power of Survival

Episode Summary: Aaron and Brash dive into one of the most infamous cinematic epics of the '90s: Waterworld. They explore how this post-apocalyptic maritime adventure became the most expensive film of its time—complete with hurricanes, on-set injuries, and Kevin Costner’s controversial creative control. But it’s not all chaos—at the heart of Waterworld lies a powerful message about survival, connection, and the high cost of human excess. With fan reactions, behind-the-scenes truths, and a fi...

Episode Summary:
Aaron and Brash dive into one of the most infamous cinematic epics of the '90s: Waterworld. They explore how this post-apocalyptic maritime adventure became the most expensive film of its time—complete with hurricanes, on-set injuries, and Kevin Costner’s controversial creative control. But it’s not all chaos—at the heart of Waterworld lies a powerful message about survival, connection, and the high cost of human excess. With fan reactions, behind-the-scenes truths, and a fierce Fandom Fact Face-Off, this episode brings fresh perspective to a misunderstood cult classic.

Topics:

The unprecedented $175M+ budget and production disasters
Kevin Costner’s deep involvement and fallout with director Kevin Reynolds
Alternate cuts explained: The Ulysses Cut vs. theatrical
Symbolism of mutation, scarcity, and environmental collapse
The Smokers as a satire on overconsumption
Scene breakdowns: lime trees, jet skis, and that infamous fish fight
Universal Studios live stunt show legacy
Kevin Costner’s 2021 reflection on Waterworld
Fandom Fact Face-Off trivia challenge
Reddit & Threads reactions and listener hot takes

Key Takeaways:

Waterworld was groundbreaking in practical effects and filming on open ocean, despite constant delays and dangers.
Kevin Costner’s passion shaped the film—both creatively and financially—but clashed with director Kevin Reynolds.
The movie’s world-building and practical sets remain awe-inspiring, even if the narrative felt overstuffed.
The Smokers represent a clever critique of environmental damage and consumer culture.
Fans now view Waterworld with greater appreciation, calling it a visual marvel and misunderstood gem.
The Mariner’s evolution—from loner to protector—delivers a meaningful arc about human connection in harsh times.

Quotes:

“They weren’t reviewing the movie. They were reviewing the expense of the movie.” – Kevin Costner
“It’s the closest way we get to a fantasy world—just one built from desperation.” – Brash
“Every time you watch it, there’s something new to see—even if it’s just the shell on the Mariner’s earring.”
“Dennis Hopper wasn’t just a villain—he was the fun kind of villain.”

Apple Podcast Tags:
Waterworld, Kevin Costner, Post-apocalyptic Movies, 90s Cinema, Film Trivia, Behind the Scenes, Movie Production Disasters, Cult Classics, Dennis Hopper, Environmental Satire, Action Movie Legacy, Fandom Portals Podcast, Geek Freaks Network, Practical Effects, Alternate Cuts

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00:00 - Introduction to Waterworld

08:24 - Gratitudes and Production Context

18:43 - Hot Takes and Fan Reactions

32:16 - Kevin Costner's Perspective

45:37 - Fandom Facts Face-off

01:05:15 - Set Secrets: Production Challenges

01:24:39 - Most Valuable Takeaway

01:32:08 - Rating Waterworld and Final Thoughts

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So we're doing Waterworld from 1995.

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What will you learn this episode?

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You will learn why Waterworld made waves as the most expensive film ever made at the time, how the production spiraled into a full-blown nightmare, including some sinking sets, storms and all what Kevin Costner really thinks of the film today.

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Spoiler alert Brash, it's complicated.

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I think at the moment, Kevin Costner has a complicated relationship with everything he's done.

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I absolutely agree, and we're also going to learn how this post-apocalyptic epic delivers a surprisingly powerful message about choosing connection over personal gain.

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Welcome to the Fandom Portals podcast, a podcast that explores how fandoms can help us learn and grow.

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I'm your host, aaron, and as usual, I'm joined by the man who doesn't have a name, so death can't find him, but he does have a name in his browser.

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Here he is.

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Dry land is not a myth.

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I've seen it, kevin Carsten, on Waterworld, and that's what we're doing today, isn't it, aaron?

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It certainly is.

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We are doing Waterworld from 1995.

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The Kevin Costner starred film directed by Kevin Reynolds.

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This one comes as a special order from our American friends in the Challenge Accepted podcast.

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Hey Brasher, hey Aaron, this is Frank from Challenge Accepted and we have a challenge for you.

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You guys are both Australian and you guys are famed for the Mad Max movies rightfully so.

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They are never miss and always awesome.

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But I've got an American attempt at Mad Max for you to watch, and that is the 95 film, waterworld.

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Yes, it's Mad Max with boats.

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I want you guys to watch Waterworld and let me know what you guys think about it.

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Enjoy the flick and keep on going this is a shout out to frank and thomas thank you very much for giving us this wet version of mad max.

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Nothing like a chase on boats on the sea.

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Instead of outback australia, this movie is about a future where the polar ice caps have melted and Earth is almost entirely submerged.

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A mutated mariner fights starvation and outlaws smokers and reluctantly helps a woman and a young girl try to find dry land.

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Now, before we get into any more, we're going to do our gratitudes Brash.

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I'll go first.

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This week, I'm grat, I'm gratitude for I'm gratitude, I'm gratitude, I'm so gratitude, I'm so grateful for the gym, and I say that because it is a good place to go to let off some steam.

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But also you see all different kinds of people there and I really get like a sense.

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I don't know if this is.

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I don't mean to upset anybody or anything when I say this, but there's obviously people there who have decided to go there to change some stuff about their appearance, and I've been going for two or three months now.

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When you see those people that are going in there to try and change something, going in there consistently as often as you are, it's like go you man.

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That's so awesome and I'm really grateful for places like the gym because it's like as much as people might think it's judgmental, it's really.

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I haven't found it that way at all and I know everybody probably has different experiences with gyms, but I'm grateful for the one that I go to and that it can be a place like that for some people to go and relieve some stress or feel better about themselves, and I think the world needs more places like that.

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That's my gratitude.

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What's yours, brad?

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Hell.

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Yeah.

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No, that's good, because I need to go to gym.

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I need to start going to the gym again because I wouldn't say that I'm overweight or anything like that, but I am getting more weight than I usually have had and I want to sort of work that off and sort of get back to how I sort of was a few years ago.

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Can't be sedentary over 30, can we brash?

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that's it but, um, yeah, I still haven't done it.

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So those people who are motivated and go there every week, yeah, good on them, yeah come along with me, man, I'll have you, it's all good.

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Yeah, yeah, my dims were near my house but not near your house.

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But if you wanted to come, oh yeah, definitely come yeah, I was actually was not planning on after our Melbourne trip.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm planning on sort of sorting that out.

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But yes, my gratitude is mostly work colleagues and some of my friends, because at the moment we are very swamped at my work, and especially me.

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I get absolutely drilled with a lot of work because the parts of the business I look after are probably the most common parts of the business.

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So I get a lot more jobs than some of the other guys do, which is very stressful, and I'm really appreciative of the people I work with because they've got their own stuff to deal with and they do help me out a lot, which is great.

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But the main thing that helps me get through my day is that we sit around and we share reels with each other constantly all day.

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So, hey, a little bit distracting, but hey, it makes the day go a little bit faster and it makes it a little bit more enjoyable.

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That's good man, it's good to have good work.

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Colleagues, I'm finding the same thing in my new, old role I'll say because it's my old workplace, but a new role in my old workplace and it's yeah, the people make the place.

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I reckon it's definitely true.

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All right, that is our gratitudes, guys.

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We're going to be moving on to the episode that is all about Waterworld from 1995.

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This movie was directed by Kevin Reynolds, but some sources say that the back end of this movie, especially the editing, was very heavily influenced by Mr Kevin Kevin Costner himself.

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He was very tied to this project.

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He was very passionate about it.

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It was written by Peter Rader and David Toohey, starring the man himself, kevin Costner, and I'm not sure if it's Genie or Jean Triple Horn.

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Do you know Brash?

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She played Helen.

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Yeah, I think it's Jean.

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All right, we're going to go into a little bit about what Kevin Costner thought of this movie in our hot take segment.

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But before we do, brash at the time that this was made, in 1995, which is before Titanic was made, which is obviously a very expensive movie, this was the highest and most expensive movie made to date.

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Do you know how much it cost to like Waterworld?

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22 million or something.

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I was way more than that wait, wait, hang on.

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No, I did see it, because it was.

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It only got trumped a couple years later by Titanic.

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Enlighten me, then, because I'm I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess $250 million.

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It's $175 million at the time.

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It doesn't like.

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For.

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Now it doesn't sound like that much because we have movies like Star Wars, the Force Awakens, which cost $447 million to make, jurassic Park, fallen Kingdom, which cost $432 million, to make Fast X, that epic installment to the Fast and the Furious trilogy that actually cost $379 million to make.

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This was only $175 million.

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Some people say it was closer to $200 million after marketing.

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It was considered a success because it made $264 million on the box.

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Closer to $200 million after marketing.

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It was considered a success because it made $264 million on the box office with $88 million worldwide gross.

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However, there was a lot of public scrutiny and unrest at the time about this movie and it was all about how much it was costing.

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The biggest thing that was a buzz was the fact that this movie costs so much to make.

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Biggest thing that was a buzz was the fact that this movie cost so much to make.

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And you know Kevin Costner at the time that this came out, he was a hot, hot commodity.

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He had just come off a Oscar win and he was like he'd done Dances with Wolves and he'd done Robin Hood, prince of Thieves and JFK.

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He was really really hitting his stride in the acting and also in the producing and moving into that sort of.

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He was becoming a leading man in the fact that he was very influential on set and he would be placed in movies before a director was chosen.

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He was obviously in Waterworld, which is this movie here, and it was directed by Kevin Reynolds.

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He had previously worked on a movie with Kevin Reynolds called Robin Hood, the Prince of Thieves, and the relationship was diverse we'll say it was tumultuous as the Prince of Thieves and the relationship was diverse We'll say it was kind of it was tumultuous as the seas of water world, because sometimes it was good and sometimes it was bad.

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I think there was a healthy respect.

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But in the end I think there is a very famous quote that Kevin Reynolds says about Kevin Costner in which he should only work on movies that he's directing because that way he can work with his favorite director and actor.

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And yeah, it was pretty much a slight towards him because kevin costner had some very passionate ideas about how waterworld should be, uh, envisioned and put to screen.

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I think kevin reynolds, the director, was very he wanted to explore the world and the cultures and the tribes of waterworld and explore that action-packed route uh, that we do see in part of the movie, and kevin costner really wanted to dive deep on the the dark and mysterious nature of the mariner, so he was really wanting to focus in on his character for the movie and kevin reynolds was really trying to focus on the world of water world and those two conflicting ideas really clashed, which resulted in this movie actually having three cuts, which we talked about as well.

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Brash, but it's like.

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Which one of these are we going to watch?

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I don't know um, yeah, it's so hard.

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It's so hard to find the alternate versions, yeah, yeah, so there's.

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there's the original version, which is the most common version, which is the two hour and 15 minutes, uh, which you can pretty much get everywhere of Waterworld, and then there is the extended cut, which goes for around three or so hours, but then there's a fan-made one called the Ulysses cut, and that was actually the fan-made cut where they explained more about the relationship between Helen and the Mariner, they went into a bit more of the cult of the smokers, the religious cult of the smokers, and they had a little bit more on the deacon in there and it just sort of tied together some of those unanswered questions through the movie.

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And a lot of people say that the Ulysses cut is the best version.

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Do you know why they call it the Ulysses cut?

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Because it's actually like Ulysses, isn't Ulysses like the?

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sea.

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Yeah, ulysses is the story of a Greek mariner and it is based on Homer's Odyssey and Homer's Iliad.

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Ulysses is the title character and throughout this whole entire movie, kevin Costner's character goes unnamed.

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He's just known as the mariner, and at the end of the movie, in the extended cut I believe, there's a scene or there's a deleted scene that explains that Helen gives the mariner a copy of the Odyssey and from that that he's actually she.

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She's suggesting that his name should be ulysses because he's constantly traveling the sea.

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So, um, through that they ended up calling it the ulysses cut.

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Yeah, I'm kind of weird, though, because helen can't read.

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Well, that's very true, but you can't actually look at it.

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So you're like here's, that's why it was deleted.

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Here's the here's this book about Ulysses.

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Hey, maybe your name should be Ulysses and he'd be like I can't read this you guys, can you guys?

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Can decipher the the tattoo the tattoo and all this back yeah, because what it was in Chinese?

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Yeah, it's Chinese characters.

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yeah, it was Chinese and it was the latitude, longitude.

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Mm-hmm.

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Do you know where the latitude longitude was, or is it a question that comes later?

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It was on the sides of the tattoo, yeah, but do you know where that latitude and longitude is leading people To dry land, obviously.

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But do you know real world, where that is?

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Oh, probably Everest or something.

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Wouldn't it deleted cut and the ulysses cut actually explain that that they're going to everest?

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There's actually a plaque that, uh is at the top of mount everest that they show in the movie, but unfortunately in the regular cut it's not shown.

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But yeah, the coordinates on her back that surround the tattoo of the mountain is, um, is the the exact coordinates in chinese characters to mount everest?

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It's the latitude and longitude of mount everest.

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Yeah, best question because I always thought, because I'm like I kind of assumed that that would be where that dry land would be.

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And the best question is like, that must be like nearly the only spot left, because when you look at it like you're asked, it's still a bit more of a peak.

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But how many other mountains above sea, above or above the rising level?

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yeah, would there be?

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There wouldn't be many of any.

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No, I don't think there would be any, and that's why everybody in the entire world of water world thought that, you know, dry land was a myth.

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Because if you think of the whole globe, how many people are left on the planet?

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Nobody would have ever come across it.

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Very few people at least.

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And, yeah, if there's only just the one spot and it's very small in nature, that's that suspension of disbelief that people have to do when they're watching this movie.

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It's like how could they not have ever seen any dry land at all?

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You know, and that's because there's only one spot.

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And that was the tip of a manor.

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Yeah, exactly right.

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All right, let's get into our hot takes.

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All right, let's get into our hot takes.

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Our hot take segment is where we discuss our first thoughts of the media and unpack the boldest opinions, from what surprised us to what split the room.

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We'll also highlight your hot takes from threads and Instagram and our Reddit community.

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So go ahead and hit our socials because we'll read out your comment on our podcast.

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Brash, you have gone on record to say that you love Waterworld Divulge.

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Divulge, Divulge.

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For me, I think it's because I love, not some like.

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In a way, it's the closest.

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I feel that our world can become a semi-fantasy type world.

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Yeah, like a dystopian.

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Yeah, so where no longer?

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Is it going to be someone drops a nuke, everyone dies.

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It's going to be someone drops a nuke, everyone dies.

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It's going to be like you literally might have to make your own sword or shield and fight someone hand in hand, like sword and shield style, because no one can make weapons anymore, like guns and stuff like that, or guns are a rare commodity and become sort of like Planet of the Apes, where a gun is like a like a godly artifact.

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And with a gun is like a, um, like a, it's like a godly artifact.

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Yeah, yeah, um, and with uh, and I like the it's, it's, it makes, it makes a bit more like life be more thrilling.

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It's sort of like, how, how I feel about any sort of dystopian type movie, so like he's mad max's, like living in that world, just drive around in fast cars and slide around and like that craziness.

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And then you got like the ones like, yeah, um, zombie apocalypse, like resident evil's, where, like all the world's just just decimated and like you're in a desolate world, just zombies have to survive against zombies.

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Like, oh, so, like walking dead's probably a better one than resident evil, but um, yeah, like walking dead.

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And then, um, you got water world, everything's on the ocean, on the sea high ferry.

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Like imagine, like if people actually built like proper ships and stuff like that, you'd be like pirates on the sea again.

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Like all that sort of thing is just like it's different and that's what I love, that it's something different and like it's surviving in like a new environment.

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Yeah, and like, and the possibility, how the mariner, how he's, like he's mutated enough that he's got gills so he can breathe underwater, like that's fucking badass.

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Being able to breathe underwater, he's able to kill that giant, monstrous mutated shark, fish and yeah, it's just, and that kind of world and that kind of vibes it's.

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It's the closest we probably in a bleak way also it's the closest possible way we get to some sort of like fantasy-esque world where it's more like survival and where you have to probably you have to go out and scavenge and find things to be able to sell, to be able to make a living and you know, get to get out of the office yeah, good day out of the office yeah no, I think that they've created a really good world in this.

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That's the thing that stood out for me when I watched this, because I had seen it before.

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It was one of those old late-time movies that came onto tv after you'd finished watching the movie you actually wanted to watch.

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And this one come on and you know, the first scene that you see is obviously the mariner, kevin costner, staying there and he takes a piss into his jar and then he pours it into a machine, filters it out, and then he drinks it, and then he does that pepsi like gotta die without that mate.

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But from that point on you're just like okay, this is a world that has some layers.

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And the fact that there's you know, there's such realism in even the costumes when you're looking at it, the things the costumes are made of, they're so intricate and detailed.

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The trimaran that Kevin Costner's character, the mariner, sails around on is just so awesome.

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Of course, the course, the automation on it is just revolutionary.

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And how much he was nurturing that lime tree, yeah, and that was the most vibrant thing that you saw.

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That green was the only green that you saw at the start of the movie.

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So it really does hook you straight in as soon as you're watching this and then you know it keeps you there with all the action sequences and you know the amazing atoll that was completely, you know, built by hand, and the you know the larger than life characters in the form of the Deacon and the Smokers.

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There's just like it's literally what you just spoke about.

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It's that fantasy realm and that dystopian.

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It's such a great playground, it's such a great sandbox.

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And I think that's what dystopian future movies are really good at doing.

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They're good at creating like a little spark of possibility where the audience begins to sit there and wonder what would I do in a situation like that.

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And it's also why so many role-playing games and tabletop role-playing games are derived from worlds like this dystopian world, futures.

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And I just liked you could just tell that there was so much thought that went into this movie, to the point where I don't know if the movie and the story as a whole did it justice, which we'll talk about later.

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But there was definitely so many different parts of this movie that you look at and every time there was a scene, even if it was just like a boat on the open ocean, there was always something to look at, like on the trimaran there was always something that you could look at and see and a nuance that was just sort of there or made In an action sequence.

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You could look at different things at different times on multiple viewings and it's like you're always looking at something different because it's just so big, like the world is so big, and I think that that's the appeal of Waterworld to me.

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It's not without its faults, obviously, but I think that the world that they've created and just that ruggedness is really good.

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And again, you mentioned Mad Max, and Frank and Thomas from the Challenge Accepted podcast challenged us this one because we're Australian and they were just like let's see, you do an American version of Mad Max on the water, which is why we're doing this now.

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But yeah, I think that it just plays into that human experience of survivability and it's just.

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There's also that mystery.

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You know, there's the narration at the start that says how this happened.

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Water world happened because all the polar ice caps melted.

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But there's always like the mystery of like what happened to all of the buildings, what happened to, um, all the animals, what happened like what happened, and there's all these questions.

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That positions the audience automatically to want to continue to watch because there's a mystery to be solved just by making the setting dystopian.

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So I think that that's probably the best thing of Waterworld 2 and I enjoyed just being in it for, you know, two and a bit hours.

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It was good, I liked it and that's another part that I liked is the Waterworld, and which I wish they touched a bit more on is the scavenging side of it.

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You see him sort of scavenge Bo once and that's sort of scavenged by once, and that's sort of at the start when he gets his lime stolen, yeah, when he goes down for ages, and then you're like what the fuck, where's he going?

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And then you realize oh, he's got a guilt.

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Yeah, that's the mystery that ties you over too.

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But, yes, there's always that sense of desperation.

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Obviously he's robbed, but then when he goes to the atoll for the first time, he's allowed in because he shows them dirt and you're just like dirt really, what's the go here?

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So the mysteries keep on coming and they have questions that you want to answer.

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And then as you go into the atoll, you see that there's this massive tree there and you're like how are they keeping that alive on the ocean?

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And then there's like a lady that's being pushed into this bog and then that's just like there's so much that these people have obviously thought about in terms of the world and how it works and the things that they want to put on screen.

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But what they did that was clever, which some movies fall into the trap of, is they don't over-explain or the audience.

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They don't say, oh, the tree is there because and they don't have two characters saying dialogue as to how the tree got there or why dirt is so important.

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It's just sort of played out in.

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The audience isn't treated like an idiot and you figure it out on your own, which is why these movies kind of work so well.

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Um, but yeah, I loved being in the atoll.

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I loved the smokers.

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The deacon was absolutely amazing.

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Um, he was probably my favorite character played by dennis hopper.

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His playfulness as well.

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One of my favorite scenes was when he had those two strung up and he said you know, if you talk to me, I won't kill you.

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And then he ends up going to shoot him.

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He goes no wait, you said, if I told you I wouldn't kill you.

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And he goes.

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Did I say that?

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Oh, maybe I did say that.

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Like there's a nuance's like so what do you reckon?

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And everyone's like oh, then it goes to the kid.

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He's like um, what do you think?

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He's like?

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Looks like shit.

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And he's like looks at me, he's like it does look like shit.

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You always trust a kid to tell you the truth yeah, yeah, that's it.

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It was so good, oh man.

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And you know what I only realized halfway through the movie, right, but they're called the smokers and they're always smoking.

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Yeah, I'm like that's why they're called the smokers.

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I thought it was because they left everything they touched in smoke, but no, it's because they're always smoking like that.

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And one of my little questions, little caveat questions, right is everybody thinks paper is amazingly valuable, right, but they're all smoking cigarettes, like they're nothing.

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And what's in the cigarette?

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Paper?

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What the heck.

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We've got all the paper we want.

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They're all rolled in paper, yeah.

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Yeah, so there's obviously some questions that still remain.

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I suppose, for them, though, paper it'd be more so, paper with stuff on it.

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Yeah, I think that's actually the point, isn't it?

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It's knowledge of the world that was.

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That's what they're they're really after.

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It's not just like paper is for paper's sake but also it would be paper would be very rare because the whole thing's kind of water.

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And why does a paper?

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When it's in water it gets fucked exactly right, it is count, very true.

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yeah, let's get into our Reddit people who talked about this movie.

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We have ZyloPhilUK, who says that this was the weirdest prequel to the Yellowstone franchise ever.

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We had CowboyForce who said the best part of this movie is when the Euler guy said oh thank God when he's blown up in the bottom of the deep.

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Yeah, that was amazing.

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That actually made me spit out my tea.

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Said oh, thank God when he was blown up in the bottom of the deep.

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That was amazing.

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That actually made me spit out my tea.

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That was one of the best scenes.

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You know, that old guy is literally like the D&D NPC that you put into your campaign just to get a laugh out of your players.

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Yeah, 100%, you could explain that guy to anybody and they would picture him perfectly.

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And yeah, just the way he was like, oh, thank god, that's awesome, that's so good.

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Um, we have great needle.

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Worker 23 says that the best part was when dennis hopper is on screen, but then the worst part is when dennis hopper is not on screen.

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There's lots of people that are praising.

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What was his name?

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Kim Coates, I think was his name.

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Was it Kim Coates, the gentleman that plays the mariner that they were sort of trading with, the one that he was going to trade Helen and Enola to?

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Oh yeah.

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Yes, it's Kim Coates.

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He plays the Drifter.

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If you don't know Kim Coates, he has piercing blue eyes.

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He's in Sons of Anarchy.

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He plays Tig, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah, and he has that stutter and he's just like he's very terrifying and unsettling.

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He is.

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Yeah, a lot of people on our Reddit thought that he played a really great role.

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He played the man who's been on the sea for far too long.

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Absolutely, he's got that seasickness ready to go.

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Uh, we have alexander the ape that says this movie was a great adventure.

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Even saw the water world show at universal studios, uh.

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And then we have period mustache that says that the universal show was absolutely amazing as well.

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And then you know, some people have said about the Universal show that you can feel the pyrotechnics and you know how expensive those props were that were left over from the movie, because a lot of the props used in that show were actually real-life ones from the atoll in the movie.

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So I think actually that is also how they recouped.

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A lot of the budget that they spent on this movie is through those universal shows the stunts as well, can we say.

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Yeah.

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There's something about watching a movie right and seeing a guy on a jet ski going over a jump and jumping a wall and landing on the other side of it and thinking to yourself that was actually done.

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Like they did that.

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Yeah, same with the skiers as well.

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Yeah, same with the skiers as well.

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It's like growing up in Victoria, where skiing is a pretty big deal, but they'd have five of them behind a boat barefooting and they'd make a three and then two on the shoulders pyramid while skiing.

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Oh bro, that's just yeah.

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And just seeing that kind of stuff.

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and then you see that in water where they're jumping the brimps, with the, with the skis, and you're like fuck, yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on to our threads.

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Right now we have golf tastic who says it's great fun, but the hype about its massive budget and the troubles they had making it were like anchors to this movie.

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People seem to want more than a great big daft sci-fi film.

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I, I think it is more than a great big daft sci-fi film.

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I think there's a lot of levels to it in terms of the world building.

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I think in terms of the story we'll go into a little bit later.

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There could be some more done there, but I think there's a lot to look at when you're looking at Waterworld as well.

00:25:16.685 --> 00:25:28.967
Yeah, yeah, it definitely seemed, or for me at least it almost seemed like too much, too much in one movie, yeah, and I think that was.

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That was part of the editing dramas that they had, because kevin reynolds had his idea and then kevin costner had his idea of what the movie should be, and you know, the two don't necessarily mash well together.

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I think that this is a world as a sandbox is absolutely amazing, and what the writers and kevin reynolds created is is you could tell a thousand stories in this place.

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I think kevin costner may have had some some credit to his point of view where it's good to have a world like that and then focus in on how one character is surviving in that world.

00:25:57.825 --> 00:25:59.851
That's a really good way to go and tell a story as well.

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But I think they were just they were trying to tell a lot at the time and I think that was the point as well.

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The Room Upstairs podcast says I haven't watched it in a while, but when I did as a young'un it was fire.

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And I can agree with that too.

00:26:14.869 --> 00:26:15.833
Yeah, Because I watched it.

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This is my second viewing of it and I think I appreciated it more this time than I did when I was younger, which is exactly what JC003 says as well.

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It says I think I actually liked it more when I rewatched it a couple of years back than when I did when it first came out.

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And then we have Green Cooper that says Waterworld was a blast.

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So thank you, everybody in our community for tuning in to our socials and contributing to our hot takes Brash.

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We're going to move now onto a hot take given by a very important and special person, especially in relation to this movie.

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it is Kevin Costner's hot take on the movie can I also point out, though, absolutely after Waterworld, which was made in 1995, in 1997 another movie that I actually kind of like, really like as well, came out.

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That's pretty much the same thing, except on land, called the Postman and he was in that one as well, wasn't he?

00:27:06.327 --> 00:27:15.798
He was in that one and his character is the drifter kevin kosner had a type just put that out.

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Yep, a nameless drifter dons a postman's uniform and bag of mail and goes on a quest to deliver mail there it is.

00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:24.571
I've actually never seen the postman, but oh I've, oh, I've seen it once.

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I love it, I love it.

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I reckon it's really good.

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You've got to think as well.

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In 1995, there wasn't many movies that were coming out like this.

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So any of those high adventure, dystopian kind of movies with this massive world and a very ambitious, I will say, premise, because in 1997, the highest grossing movie of 1997 was the movie oh sorry.

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1995 was the movie seven with brad pitt and morgan freeman, which is a crime thriller, and then the second was toy story, and then, you know, after that it goes on to those very, very 90s films that you'd be very familiar with, and the 12th highest grossing movie of the year was Waterworld.

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So there was definitely a market for it and I think as word of mouth got out, its perception actually improved.

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But initially, when it first was released and during its production, there was just a lot of buzz about how much it cost to make, to the point where Kevin Costner, in an interview, he actually was really open about the how he was openly hostile actually to a lot of the media coverage that was calling, calling the movie like mean, mean spirited and that they were.

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He kind of perceived that they were obsessed with the movie's failure and he actually even quoted as well that they weren't reviewing the movie, they were reviewing the expense of the movie and he said he almost believed that the media wanted them to fail and he compared that coverage to like a feeding frenzy.

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They kind of got all over it saying that it costs so much money and that the product wasn't.

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It was overhyped.

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Basically it was hyped so heavily and the film might have received a fairer critical shake if it was not so.

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He actually stands by the movie, kevin Costner.

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He says that he thought it was a really ambitious project for 1995 and it also kind of revolutionized the way that movies go about, like filming action sequences.

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Because, he said Kevin Costner actually said there's no green screen and that we built that world from scratch.

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And kevin costner said to him that kind of meant something, which is why he kind of really wanted the film to do well and really poured a lot into the character.

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He says that it was one of his most challenging projects ever and we'll go into why that was a little bit later.

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But he also said it was probably one of the most fulfilling projects because he got the chance to work behind the camera a little bit on Waterworld and actually sit in a producer's role.

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He invested quite a bit of his own money into this movie, which means he was more respected to call some of the shots and that led to him in future being able to be confident in doing similar sorts of leadership roles on other projects which eventuated to him, obviously starring in amazing tv series like yellowstone.

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But yeah, he, he sort of stands by it and he said so in a 2021 collider panel interview.

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Yeah, it was challenging but he, he said how the original concept in the world building and practical effects are things that really shaped the modern blockbuster, or what shaped blockbusters at the time and modern blockbusters now really kind of lack that because there's obviously tightening of the belts and things cost money now and technology and CGI has come so far.

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But yeah, I think that the practical effects and the stunts they're probably one of my favorite parts of the movie.

00:30:44.392 --> 00:30:44.894
Oh yeah.

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Well, they used all of Hawaii's like steel reserves that Hawaii had and had to get more shipped in from or flown in from California and they had to make the runway in Hawaii bigger to accommodate for a heavier planes landing with all this steel.

00:31:02.063 --> 00:31:03.146
They needed to make the sets.

00:31:03.568 --> 00:31:12.021
Yeah, man, that reminds me of like that Ron Swanson meme where he's just like I want all the bacon you have, but you should change it to I want all the steel you have and make.

00:31:12.021 --> 00:31:18.077
Hawaii sitting on the chair, or, you know, kevin Costner sitting on the chair asking Hawaii for all the steel they have.

00:31:18.097 --> 00:31:26.861
Yeah, so there's all the steel they have there at Hawaii and they had to fly more in to make um at all yeah, the at all was a massive set that they had to make as well.

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And yeah, we'll probably get into that a bit later as well, but we are going to get into our fandom fact face-off now.

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All right, the fandom fact face-off is where hosts go head-to-head with trivia about the focus media, learning new, new facts along the way.

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When the host collectively gains 25 points from correct answers, we will give away a movie voucher to someone on our mailing list.

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I believe we have 11.

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No, we have 16 points.

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We have 16 points so far for our fandom facts face off, which means we need nine more to go.

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That's very doable, not in this episode, but it is very doable in the next few weeks.

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Brash, do you want to go first or me?

00:32:18.701 --> 00:32:19.682
Yes, I'll go first.

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Go for it.

00:32:21.125 --> 00:32:31.741
Okay, so Tina Morigiano, who plays Nola, the young girl had a nickname on set, do you?

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know what her nickname was and why.

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I don't know what the nickname was, but it was something to do with the fact that she would always get stung by jellyfish.

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She would have all these jellyfish stings across her through all the water time that she had.

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It was like jellyfish bait or jellyfish candy or something like that jellyfish candy.

00:32:48.849 --> 00:33:05.724
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she was stung three different times during production by jellyfish and she was like the only one, only one, who got stung, so they call it jellyfish king, so it seemed like the jellyfish just loved her yeah, wow, man, and you know all those water.

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This actually flows into my question, so I'll ask you this one, then we'll talk about it.

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So my question is what was one of the most dangerous stunts filmed during production?

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And I'll give you a clue it has something to do with the trimaran, which is the three-hulled boat that Kevin Costner's mariner would go around on.

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Isn't it just because they filmed it on like 30 miles out in open sea?

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Yeah, well, that trimaran was actually fully built and they actually had to build two of those because one of them got destroyed and the actual sort of most dangerous stunt involved the trimaran where the mast.

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Yeah, kevin Costner was actually lashed to the mast for one of these stunts that they were doing and there was a sudden storm that occurred and the trimaran got pulled and drifted out to sea and because it wasn't the most seaworthy vessel, obviously they had to wait until the storm had quietened before they could go in and actually rescue him.

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So he was drifting for nearly 30 minutes in open ocean before the rescue and stunt safety team could get him.

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Multiple crew members later described the shoot as very hellish and a lot of them, you know, suffered heat stroke and there was several physical injuries, to the point where a lot of them would call the production water hell due to the constant exposure to the elements.

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But it was literally nature that caused one of the biggest stunts in the movie to go awry, where Kevin Costner was kind of strapped to the mask and almost drowned because of the storm that was going through.

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The scheduling conditions and the fact that they actually shot on the open ocean led to a really high turnover of staff as well, and there were heaps of key crew members that kept quitting or needing medical attention during the shoot as well, because I think I forgot the exact numbers, but I think it was like 45 people per day would need medical attention, for seasickness especially, and also very severe sunburns was two of the most common things, and also infections from really strong exposure to long periods of time in salt water.

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There was also a stunt coordinator.

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His name was norman howell and he got hit with decompression sickness, which is do you know what decompression sickness is?

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um, yeah, is that when, like, um, uh, like you're having trouble, is it having trouble breathing?

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uh, kind of it's like when you're like disorientated and yeah, yeah.

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So when you surface too quickly as a deep sea diver, you get this thing called the bends and you get decompression sickness and it affects your breathing and affects your, your body's ability to like pass oxygen through various different extremities and yeah, because it can be fatal.

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Yeah, absolutely yeah, he had to get rushed to hospital uh on honolulu a helicopter and they said he recovered fairly quickly but it was definitely life-threatening sickness and so he returned to set a couple of days later.

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Good on you, Norman Howell.

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I don't think stunt coordinators get enough credit.

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Hey, oh, good enough.

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That's why we love that.

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That's why I love that.

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The movie the.

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Fall.

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Guy, the Fall Guy, yeah love those.

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All right, so we've got uh, one extra point so far.

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Let's go with your next question.

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My next question is this is a bit of a raunchy, funny one.

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So in this movie there is like there's no real real nudity, but there is sort of a backshot scene of the character of Helen.

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However, jean didn't want to do the scene herself, so instead they did something else to find and she wanted to be very heavily a part of and find the perfect person to be her stunt double for this sort of half a butt shot, her butt double, her butt double.

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She wanted to find the perfect one.

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So they did something quite funny that helen art later would oh, that's helen, so jing later would say was probably one of the funniest parts of the whole entire process.

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Do you know what they did to find helen's perfect butt double?

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well, I think I don't know the answer to this one, but my guess would be the only thing that you could do would just be like to survey the butts that you could see around you.

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So whether it was like a police lineup of butts and she pointed to the one that she thought was the best Close.

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They had a butt audition, so sort of like an American or Australian idol, but with butts, and then the final three that would get chosen had to go into Jean's trailer and disrobe so Helen could have a look at their butt and then, after all three had done, that she chose out of those three finalists which one was going to be her butt double.

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Yeah.

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And then later on, when they had to do that shoot, helen was there on set to make sure that as soon as they did this robe sort of scene, she was there straight afterwards to give her butt double a robe to cover back up again.

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Very thankful, very thankful for that.

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For being the butt double.

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Yes, I thought that when I read about that.

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