April 24, 2025

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (2023) – Rocket's Journey from Trauma to True Hero. Found Family, Healing, and the Heart of the MCU

Episode Summary:

We dive deep into Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, exploring how this emotional conclusion to James Gunn's trilogy reveals that Rocket's journey was the heart of the series all along. Beneath the spectacle and space-faring action beats a profound story about healing, found family, and the transformative power of empathy.

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The secret of this trilogy has always been hiding in plain sight: it was Rocket's story all along. Vol. 3 peels back the layers of this wounded character's trauma, revealing how a creature created to be discarded found purpose through connection. The film doesn't shy away from showing the cruelty that formed him, making his journey toward healing all the more powerful. Through flashbacks that gradually expand our understanding of his origins, we witness how the High Evolutionary's experiments created not just Rocket's cybernetic body, but his defensive emotional walls.

Each Guardian carries their own trauma – Peter's arrested development following his mother's death, Nebula's systematic dismantling by Thanos, Drax's loss of his family, and Mantis's servitude to Ego. What makes this film special is how it demonstrates that healing doesn't happen in isolation. These broken individuals become whole not by "fixing" themselves individually, but by forming connections that allow them to move forward together.

By the time we witness each Guardian finding their purpose – Peter reconnecting with his grandfather, Nebula and Drax caring for orphaned children, Mantis seeking her own identity, and Rocket embracing leadership – we understand that their strength comes not from being flawless, but from embracing each other's flaws.

Key Takeaways:

• How music connects characters emotionally and serves as a storytelling device throughout the trilogy
• Examining the impact of grief, trauma, and emotional loops on each Guardian's healing journey
• Analyzing how empathy drives every major moment in the trilogy, especially in Volume 3
• Breaking down the High Evolutionary as a villain who represents the antithesis of the Guardians' found family values
• Exploring Rocket's transformation from defensive loner to true leader
• Unpacking Peter Quill's arrested development and how he finally processes childhood trauma
• Highlighting Nebula's journey from Thanos's broken "creation" to compassionate leader
• Appreciating how Drax and Mantis embody emotional intelligence in different but complementary ways

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00:15 - Welcome and Birthday Gratitudes

04:10 - Overview of Guardians Vol. 3 Plot

07:35 - Call Sheet and Box Office Performance

11:22 - Hot Takes and Favorite Guardians Films

22:30 - The High Evolutionary as a Detestable Villain

32:15 - Fandom Fact Face-Off Trivia Challenge

51:03 - MVT: Empathy and Found Family

01:00:35 - Rocket's Character Arc Analysis

01:10:35 - Nebula's Evolution and Relationship with Gamora

01:16:03 - Star-Lord's Emotional Journey

01:24:52 - Drax and Mantis: Heart of the Team

01:29:28 - Final Rating and Conclusion

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Welcome to the Fandom Portals Podcast, the podcast that explores how fandoms can help us learn and grow.

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Today, I'm here with Mr Brash Rackham.

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How are you going today, brash?

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I am Groot, that was awesome, which is Groot?

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for don't do well yourself.

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Yeah, not too bad.

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That's uh, grutees.

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The reason we're talking like this, everybody, is because we are doing the guardians of the galaxy, a volume three today on the phantom portals podcast.

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If you've been keeping up with our social media, this would be no surprise to you, because I've been posting lots of things about that trilogy.

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Now, this is a trilogy that is about some characters that are still reeling from the loss of Gamora.

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Peter Quill rallies his team to defend the universe and save his best friend, rocket, a mission that could end the Guardians if they're not successful.

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Now, this is a very awesome movie and I'm going to get into it and tell you everything that's going to happen in this episode, but before we do that, we are going to jump into our gratitudes.

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Rash, what's your?

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gratitude for the week is actually you.

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Oh, I'm grateful for you, especially on your birthday.

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Happy birthday for all those.

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Thanks, man, Recording date on my birthday.

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What better way to spend my birthday than with a good mate talking about a great movie?

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Oh man.

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Yes, I'm grateful for you, and it's also for a selfish reason though, but I'm grateful for you.

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I'm grateful for you because, in a way, you make me better.

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So when I had my house made here, I sort of like having people around me more constantly just makes me better and less closed in and shut in.

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So like if I'm alone by myself for a long period of time, I'll sort of fall into this sort of like a pit where I I just don't have the energy or just can't bother doing things like cleaning the house becomes like a I'll go do that, I'll do it tomorrow, I'll do it tomorrow.

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I'm like that's not too bad, I'll do it tomorrow.

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And then it ends up being out of control.

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But with um, like you, uh, when we come around to the podcast, I can get me excited and I get amped up and I'm more energized and like I'll zip around and like it'll take me, like it takes me like an hour, half an hour, to vacuum the floors.

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But if it's just being by myself, I'm like I can't even bother doing that.

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But like knowing that you'll come around and I'm like, oh, I'll clean up and I'll vacuum up and I'll do those things and it's just.

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It gives me energy.

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It gives me like it's like a vampire.

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I'm like it's like being in the lifeblood of it.

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Yeah, purpose than just getting up, going to work, coming home and just repeating that same cycle.

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Yeah, I don't swear often on this podcast, man, but fuck, yeah, thanks, man.

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That's awesome, that's a good gratitude, and I appreciate it because I feel the same way about you.

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I've been grateful for you before.

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I'm grateful for you all the time because you know my life's up and down, sometimes in terms of flexibility and availability, and you're always, you know, accommodating for that and we always have such good discussions on the podcast.

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But also, it's just great to hang out in a space that's like safe.

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Yeah, because, honestly, I the time we talked before and like after podcast could almost be its own podcast, just yeah, I think so right if I'm best.

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I am grateful for you and for um the opportunities that you allow us having that well thanks, man.

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I do appreciate that my gratitude this week comes from, uh, the fact that this is being recorded on my birthday, and I've recently changed roles in my job and when I did that, I returned to an old team that I used to work with and they remembered my birthday From years ago when I used to work with them.

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They remember my birthday and actually organized a cake and a nice little morning tea and things like that.

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So it was really nice to go back and actually be remembered in that way.

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So nice people, good friends.

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It's been a really good day, actually like that and then coming out and doing this podcast with you and hanging out even more.

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It's just such a good day.

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It's awesome times.

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I hope you guys listening out there have a really good day too, because, yeah, there's lots of things to be grateful for and that's why we love this segment.

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No-transcript, emotionally powerful.

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We're going to look at how music in Volume 3 helps you to connect more deeply with your characters, and we're also going to look at the impact of grief, trauma and emotional loops on those characters and what that says about their healing.

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Lastly, we're going to look at empathy and how it's not just a theme in this movie.

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It's something that you can see driving every major moment in the Guardians of the Galaxy all the way up to Volume 3.

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So lots of good things to touch on in this episode.

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Let's get to our call sheet backspash.

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Who directed this movie?

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James Gunn, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely James Gunn directed this movie.

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Oh my god, is this going to be a trick question.

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No of questions.

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James Gunn directed this movie.

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He wrote this movie as well, with the help of Jim Stalin and, obviously, stan Lee being the creator of Marvel.

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It is starring Chris Pratt, bradley Cooper as the famous voice of Rocket Raccoon, and it has Chippewa Yuji as the high evolutionary.

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Do you know what the budget was, brash?

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I'm always wrong with these stories.

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They're way too low.

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Oh, you do actually.

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Yeah, I always go too low, so I'm going say probably so wrong as well.

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Uh like 300 million, 260 million, 250 million 250 million is correct.

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We'll take your third answer 250 million is absolutely correct.

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Yeah, no, no, that's not too high.

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250 was pretty much what they gave james gunn.

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They kind of gave him a blank check on this.

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One is what I.

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I read whatever he wanted to spend on this one, within reason, they would let him, obviously, because this was the closing arc for the characters and they didn't really need to write any of these characters into any feature movies like the aven Avengers movies that they had to consider when they were doing Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

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So James Gunn was free to finish this story off how he wanted and he did it to the sound of $250 million, earning $846 million.

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In opening weekend they got $118 million.

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Now that kind of says a little bit.

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And you know, everybody looks at box office and they kind of think, oh, you know, it doesn't really suggest how good or bad a movie is.

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And that's very true, especially for a Marvel movie, because initially, the hype around Marvel, the opening weekend, is always high and to compare it to something, for example, this earned $118 million in its opening weekend and Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania got $106 million in its opening weekend.

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Now, looking at those two.

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They're not too far apart.

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However, if word of mouth occurs and people keep coming to the movies and this one Guardians of the Galaxy 3, ended up earning $846 million, whereas Ant-Man and the Wasp, quantumania basically bottomed out with only $406 million, which is half of what Guardians earned with the same weekend amount.

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So obviously it is a well-liked movie, had a lot of good word of mouth and it is also pretty highly rated on too.

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If you want to come and follow us, it is the second highest rated Marvel movie on Letterboxd after Infinity War.

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I like pretty much all the Marvel movies, because I don't go into the Marvel movies going.

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Alright, this better be exactly how it is in comics, because you're never going to get that and it's the same universe, it's the same thing, so you just have to sort of take the change.

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That's like the new Fantastic Four movie, with everyone half on a basketball, so far being the female iteration of which there is as many iterations of so far so, yeah, yeah, I think that's that's really valid, and I also think that James Gunn does that with his characters too, where he will see them in the comic books and he will use some of them.

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He uses in name and appearance and abilities only and everything else surrounding how they they go on.

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He uses that to fit into the story, uh, that he wants to tell.

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Now, some of them are obviously very reminiscent of the comic books, but I feel like james gunn had a very unique and planned vision across his trilogy of guardians of the galaxy movies, because in this movie, guardians volume 3, we learn that this story was uh rockets all along.

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And going back and looking and watching guardians 1 and 2 and we'll touch on this as we talk in the podcast today you can actually see like little snippets from those characters where a re-watch really reveals so much more about what that character is saying early on in the film.

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And it's a really unique and fun way to make a movie, because usually the unique, the, the usual way to make a narrative story is you give all the backstory first in the orientation, you move to the complication and it ends up uh, challenging what that character thought they were, and then they change on the end of it.

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However, in a lot of this movie, we see a lot of our guardians in an already fractured state, and I don't mean fractured as in they're broken physically or some are in the form of nebula, but a lot of them are fractured emotionally, like trauma-wise yes, and all different kinds of trauma.

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Yeah, yeah, and we'll look at that a little bit later on in the pod as well, but right now we're going to get into our hot first takes.

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All right, this is the segment where we discuss our first thoughts on the media and unpack the boldest opinions, from what surprised us to what split the room.

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We'll also highlight your hot takes from threads, instagram and Reddit.

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If you want to get involved in that, go and check out our show notes.

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Our social medias will be down there.

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You can.

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Oh my God, first brush.

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I don't give five stars lightly on Letterboxd, but I gave all three of these Guardians movies five stars.

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Favorite Guardians movie.

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We had a poll on our threads.

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What do you think the favorite movie from our community was in terms of Guardians 1, 2, and 3?

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I want to say 1.

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It is absolutely 1, with 49% of the vote.

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Second place is 3 with 35% and then 16%.

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Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

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My favorite Guardians of the Galaxy of Galaxy 2.

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I know it does suffer a little bit in the writing in terms of them having the pigeonhole characters to fit into the Avengers roster and things like that, but I really just love the themes throughout.

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Guardians 2, in terms of you know, guardians has always been stories about really bad dads.

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If you look at Guardians 1, there's obviously Yondu, who is an extremely how we say this abrasive dad, although he he does have good intentions and fix it in number two.

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And then you've got Ego, who is just the narcissistic, egocentric dad, and then Thanos, throughout as well, obviously being the dad of Nebula and Gamora.

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And then in this one we've got the High Evolutionary, who is a creator slash father figure of Rocket, who is also extremely toxic, but in number two.

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I just feel like one of those bad dads gets a good closing arc in the form of Yondu, where he tried to do his best a lot of the time and he says it in that line that he says you know well, he may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy.

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And then after that he says I'm sorry, I didn't do a lot of it right and I cry every time.

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I watch that, every single time.

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I've probably watched it five times and I've watched and cried five times because that's such a relatable feeling and that's why number two is my favorite.

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What's where they all get together?

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But I have to say when I watched 3, 3 became my favourite in 1.

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Like it introduced you to.

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Like you had the Kree.

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It introduced you to sort of like the Kree with Ronan the Accuser and the Nova Corps as well.

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We saw a lot of the Nova Corps and the Nova Corps, which I was actually hoping we might actually get a sort of Nova.

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But no, no, sneaky mentions of Richard Rider.

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Yeah, so I love one.

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I really like two, but for me it was a bit.

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I just couldn't as much as like how I said before, I try and take anything from the comics out of it.

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When I watch them it's all different.

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I just couldn't get past Ego being Bill's dad Yep, yeah, and like, and Mantis being an alien that E ego stole instead of being born on like human just changed and everything like that.

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And I love Mantis as well.

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I reckon she's a fabulous character.

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Actually in the comics it's meant to be a swordsman who's been in both Hawkeye and Daredevil 3i became my favourite.

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I think it's because of all the trauma healing that everyone goes through.

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I absolutely love that.

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And there's like there's things for everyone, like there's heartbreak healing a heartbreak there's.

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There's like Rocket stopping running from his past and accepting what's happened and moving forward.

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And then there's um Drax realizing what his future could be, which we'll go into later.

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Yeah, finding like a purpose other than being Drax the Destroyer, which is mentioned in the movie by Mantis.

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And then Nebula finding her place with her family and finding something that she can build herself.

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That's not her reconstruction, and like they all have their moments.

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And they get closure.

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Yeah, it's a fun group.

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It doesn't really get much.

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Yeah, well, for Guardians 2 and 3, which is obviously the same group throughout, and in Guardians 1 that's the different group, or that Groot's father, or Groot spawn, you might say.

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But for the second Groot, his growth kind of occurs.

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He's used as a plot device in number two, as baby Groot basically, so the rest of the Guardians can galvanize around him and there are so many moments and that's another reason why I like Guardians 2 is because they're all going through lots of different father issues and historically, through the guardians, we know that they all have these farther issues.

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But there's that scene in guardians 2 where peter and rocket are trying to coach baby groot on how to detonate a bomb, and it's just such a supportive environment for this little thing that's obviously made mistakes before about going trying to get yondu's fin and coming back with various different things, including a seven human thumb.

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But he's just made all these mistakes before, and then they're still trying to coach him and teaching on how to operate this device.

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They're trusting him, they're giving him the time to learn it, they're giving him multiple attempts, which is what good teachers do as well.

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They offer lots of opportunities for them to grow and experience things on their own.

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And even though these two individuals of Rocket and Quill didn't grow up with any kind of father that they could call a role model, they're still fathering this young little plant boy in the best me.

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That's why I love it.

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But I think that, like for Groot's growth, his happens mostly through the Infinity War and Endgame, where he's that teenager and learns to take a bit more responsibility.

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So, and then always sticking by Rocket in the third Guardians movie as well.

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But our other poll that we had up was about who your favorite original Guardians member was.

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Now I know your favorite's, mantis, but she's off the table for this one, bro.

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So we're going to go with Star-Lord, gamora, rocket or Drax, who you got, because our community has a very popular favorite.

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I'll say I'm sort of stuck between Rocket and Drax.

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I have to say, with three it'd probably be Rocket, but Drax would be a close second.

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Yeah, I think my favorite is also Rocket, with a very close second being Peter Quill, star-lord, and our community has 42% of the vote for Rocket, 38% to Star-Lord, peter Quill and then 11% for Gamora, 9% for Drax.

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We had a lot of people in the comments saying Groot was a favourite as well, but I didn't include Groot in that poll because there's obviously two different versions of Groot, so I made a poll for Groot.

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We had the original Groot, which is Baby.

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Groot Teenager, groot and Skyward Kaiser City, groot yeah.

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Guardian 3, which I called Swole.

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Groot because he's just yeah, because he's jacked.

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He's jacked Especially in that stinger.

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At the end he's just even more gigantic.

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And just what do they call him?

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Kaju mode?

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Yes, I, in terms of him growing very quickly.

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He's almost like a bunch of really coiled up vines that have these plates on the outside of them.

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I thought that was a really great character design.

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But our community, and a lot of people, I think, thought that the original Groot from Guardians 1, the one that sacrificed himself for the team and taught Rocket that the team that he is with is worth giving a crap over.

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Basically, the original Groot was the favorite with.

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My favorite is the baby Groot, second to the original Groot, but I like that people like the original Groot because he has the same physique that I do.

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Yeah, he's tall and long and has massive arms.

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I love that.

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So I think he was definitely the most emotionally resonant version of Groot and the line we are.

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Groot is like it's synonymous with connection and family says that and also is famous for quoting Family and Fast and the Furious.

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It's like he's the guy.

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I'm surprised they didn't think of family as a man in Gritsalons.

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He could have done that in the end of this movie in Guardians of the Galaxy 3, when the audience ends up understanding him because they're now part of the Guardians family, they could have said I love this.

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Took a little bit away from that moment because I know that Vin Diesel is highly memed for saying things like yeah, this is like family family, family references, things, yeah, yeah it was a very emotional moment but for me there was just a little bit in the back of my brain that said that really sounds like Dominic Toretto yeah, and I do love how, like in the end, like you're able to understand, like the not been able to understand what Chris has been saying until the end.

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Yeah, and I like that as well because it gives her that distance.

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Yeah, exactly which is what we needed from this.

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Gamora watching Guardians 3 after the Avengers the two Avengers movies, because you can watch Guardians 1 and 2 back to back and there's not really much that you're not really understanding.

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But at the end of Guardians 2, when they're all standing there at Yondu's ravager funeral, peter and Gamora are holding each other in their arms and then at the start of number three, peter's a drunkard in nowhere and Gamora has gone off to be a ravager and he believes that she's dead.

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So if you don't have that context in the middle, it's a little bit hard to watch these three back to back to back.

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Reason, and I think that they will, but I do agree.

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I think that that was a really nice touch.

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And the elevator scene in the movie in Guardians 3, just giving everybody a speed recap of what happened.

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Yeah, yeah, I'll go.

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I'll go into it a bit later, but one of my favorite moments from Peter Quill happens in that scene.

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So, yeah, stick around for that in the podcast because it's it's a.

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Yeah, it was one of the moments that really solidified him as one of my favorite characters.

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All right, our community thought Guardians of the Galaxy 3, I put up a post that says what did this movie teach you and the Infinity Bros?

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Isaac from the Infinity Bros said that family comes in all shapes and sizes and attitudes as well.

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We had Matthew Files that said animal abuse is bad, where you come from doesn't matter, and to treat each other with respect All very big themes in Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

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And we have Yo Hans Marble says a movie where it does teach a good value of family, even if you're not blood related.

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So that was our threads.

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Yeah, all good texts, all good texts, all good texts.

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I love those Really great texts from our Reddit, our threads community, our Reddit.

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We have Robert19 that says this film was one of Marvel's last gasps in cinema.

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And you know what?

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I think everybody goes to a Marvel movie because they do have that, that grasp on society at the moment and everybody loves to go to the movies to see the latest in the pop culture element of Marvel.

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I still enjoy Marvel movies.

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I don't think the like.

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I would say that the quality between Iron man and Endgame, like that was a really solid run, but it's hard to keep that up over 10 years.

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That's a decade worth of yeah and in that time there were other misses, like Thor 2 wasn't overly great, like people didn't really like Thor 2.

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Even I think Iron man 2 wasn't probably one of the stronger ones of the Iron man series of movies and yeah.

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So I think everyone's got their own opinions and like there are a few things and people kept hanging on Disney for being too woke.

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Which look, which look, I'm fine with it.

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Like some parts we leaned into the wokeness a little bit too much, but I thought it's all worth like fun, like me.

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Yeah, same with me.

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I think they're entertaining movies and you don't go in expecting like a Schindler's List, or you don't go in expecting a Godfather Part 1 or 2.

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You know, you go into a Marvel movie expecting to be entertained, and every a Marvel movie because I love the characters.

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I think that they still have some pretty good things that we can learn from those movies and you know it's good to see the community rally around things, especially when there are other not so nice things that they could be rallying around.

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So I think that this as a form of entertainment is okay, and also for kids there.

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There is a lot that people can learn from superhero movies, especially kids, who love these kinds of movies as well.

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Probably not a kids movie Guardians of the Galaxy 3, though I would say.

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I think a lot of the people that went to the cinema with their kids this one in particular probably got a little bit of a shock because, yes, there is some adult themes, scary scenes that probably wouldn't go down very well with anyone younger than I'd say, like 12 or 13,.

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Even that's probably young.

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I think about the time that I would show this to my son and, yeah, 12, 13, I think it'd be the youngest.

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Yeah, that's what I reckon.

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They'd be able to understand it a little bit more.

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Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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All right, we have Matt's tutor and cook says the female characters can be interesting and formidable if written and acted that way.

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Ne, Gamora and Mantis stood out in this movie to me as being the most interesting evolutions of characters.

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Mantis went from a glass cannon to an actual threat to whole security teams and I think that's a very poignant point because all three of these female characters in terms of Nebula, Gamora and Mantis they have really strong character arcs.

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They are leaders in their own right as well and not only do they show physical strength but emotional strength as well in terms of the growth that they go through through their traumas.

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But Mantis especially her emotional strength and her ability to empathically link with the entire team is the best part of her character.

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But she's also shown in Guardians 3 to be an actual powerhouse as well.

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Oh yeah, and, like in the comic, she's also a massive powerhouse and a very, just, a very strong character overall, being as though she's I don't know what she's meant to be called.

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What was she called?

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I don't know if she's meant to be human, but she was picked as a priestess and if ever there's a player playing the game, you meet her in the game and she's already done her or become the priestess of the game.

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Seeing her doing more in Guardian 3 was absolutely fantastic, because Hermes is one of the ones who makes 2 better for me.

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Yep, with her, just her interactions with the other Guardians.

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Celestial Madonna she becomes a Celestial Madonna and, yeah, and like her powers end up transforming that, she can even like see the future yeah, she gets a bit of precognition yeah, yeah, I believe I'm glad that they made her stand out more in three, because I love, I love it okay yeah, we'll go through her arc a little bit later on as well in the podcast, but I I think that yeah, she's, she's handled very, very well.

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So I think maths tutor and cook on our reddit has got an insightful comment that the female characters in this movie are written and created very, very well.

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We have david dude guy says it took cruelty to animals to a whole new level and ruins the entire movie for me and they went on to say that there was an overemphasis of showing procedures done to Rocket in the movie.

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We saw the same thing done to Logan and to Deadpool, but these movies made their point and moved on.

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In Guardians they showed a scene of it and it went on and on, and on, and on.

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Now I don't know if I agree with David Dugan on this one, because I think that obviously animal cruelty is a throughout this movie.

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James Gunn has gone on record to say that he loves animals across his Twitter and he wanted to make that prominent through this movie.

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And also I think it was pertinent to Rocket's arc to show exactly why he ended up being as cold and closed off as we meet him in Guardians 1.

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I think it's.

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It's not cruelty.

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I think it's showing depth to the character, but also I think the issue of is something that you know.

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You can foreground it and see what is happening to these creatures and that is a good way to get people to advocate for it.

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And I think burying your head in a sand about an issue like that is how it happens for so long, but enough.

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I agree with David Dugan on that one, yeah, and the cruelty that Rocket goes through is, I believe, necessary to both the Guardians themselves, especially when later on, when they actually are able to get past the end or when they're able to look into Rocket and see what he's been through, and even to Nebula's point where she says this is worse than what Thanos put me through, just emphasizes how much because the past three movies you've seen bits of the Rocket slip out and he sort of hides his trauma behind his sarcasm and his yeah hard exterior and them all seeing what he went through as a baby raccoon just horrified all of them.

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And James Gunn really wanted his villain in the Five Evolutionary to not be not have the audience sympathize with.

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Yep, they didn't want any sympathize like hey, sympathize with Thanos, like some people were like well, he's kind of correct they didn't want that.

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They wanted someone.

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They wanted the height of evolutionary character to be this cruel and just absolutely detestable villain that no one can sympathize with.

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Mission accomplished, oh, 100 and I.

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That's why I believe, like I just said, like the cruelty was a necessity to show off just how evil this villain was and the lengths he would go through go to to create what his vision was, when his vision in the first place is just flawed yeah, I 100% agree.

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I think that he is a truly detestable villain and it juxtaposes well with the themes that the high evolutionary is trying to portray through this movie in creating the perfect society, along with the portrayal of nowhere, which I think that putting those two things together is perfect.

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And then coupling it with Rocket's arc and seeing how absolutely cruel this individual can be really made us as an audience sympathize with Rocket, but then made the characters empathize with Rocket, which is the whole point of the movie.

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And that brings me to our next Redditor's comment, arclight50, who says they learned that it was possible to have Gunn's sensibility and still have a film rooted deeply in empathy, to be able to explore really complex topics like guilt, grief and trauma, while still delivering a rollicking and fun movie.

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And that was probably the comment from the community that I agreed with the most.

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I think that Gunn really has this ability to tell a good story.

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He's a phenomenal storyteller and when he's given the chance to write it across three movies and doing it within the sandbox of the MCU, I give him even more props for, because sometimes they can dictate a lot of what you can and cannot do with a character, but he stuck to his vision.

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He stuck to his guns.

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He appealed to their better nature as Star-Lord says in the movie as well to talk to the corporate shills and he told the story that he wanted to tell and in doing so he did tackle those really complex topics through characters that everybody has fallen in love with.

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I think the Guardians trilogy is highly rated from one, two and three.

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I think the worst Guardians movie is definitely way better than some of the best other movies in a trilogy.

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So I think this stands above, and we might talk about it as we end our podcast, but I'm pretty excited in complete creative control.

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Yeah, all right, that's going to be pretty good Fantastic.

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I think so too.

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All right, with our community's voice being shared in our hot takes, let's move on to our Fandom Fact Face-Off.

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All right, this is our Fandom Fact Face-Off, where hosts go head-to-head with trivia about the focus media.

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We learn new facts along the way.

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The host with the least points at the end of the month loses and has to take the winner on an all-expenses-paid trip to the movies.

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However, this month we're doing something different, having a marvel team up where us, as hosts, need to collect 15 points to send a lucky listener to the movies into this giveaway.

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Brash together as a team.

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We've got 11 points across two weeks, so we could actually hit 15 today.

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I will start our questions off.

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Are you ready?

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Okay, this movie almost didn't happen because in 2018, something happened to a very important person related to this movie that almost had it looking completely different.

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Do you know what that was?

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Bradley Cooper wasn't going to be the voice of Rocket Wrecking.

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I'm just joking.

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I'm just joking.

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Would this be the James Gunn incident?

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It would be.

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He would have dredged up bullshit from many, many years ago and use that to try and make him out to be a really bad villain because he said something dumb at some point yes, who hasn't said something dumb at some point in their lives?

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unfortunately, james gunn said it on the internet whether people can dig it up, and they did so in the era that cancelling people was popular.

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So in july of 2018 that james gunn was actually removed from directing guardians of the galaxy 3, and it was indeed due to those controversial tweets that resurfaced.

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However, there was so much backlash over 400 000 signatures on a petition from the public and also Chris Pratt, zoe Saldana and Dave Bautista publicly supporting Gunn Dave Bautista actually threatening not to be in the movie unless Gunn was a part of it they decided to reinstate him, which is a bit of a backslide that's uncommon in Hollywood.

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Usually, if they make a choice like that, they stick to the Gunns.

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Yeah, I love how much we said that they stick to the Gunns and, yeah, I think that they were all the better for it because in the meantime actually, when Gunn was let go from his Guardians of the Galaxy 3 movie, he picked up a DC movie which was the Suicide Squad to go and direct and, as a result of that, they actually made him the director of DC after that.

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So it was almost like Marvel did the absolute worst thing, or Disney-Marvel did the worst thing possible, because they opened the door for him to explore other options and avenues, which ended up with him helming the DCU now.

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So it's crazy how those silly little PR decisions can have such big ramifications, and that's why I picked this one as a trivia question, because I thought that was just so interesting.

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But it's really also probably one of the most unusual director comebacks in MCU history or any director history at all.

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As well.

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Glad he came back as a third installment.

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Really ticked off all the boxes for the trilogy.

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Batista is Bane, batista is he's Bane Team.

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I'd take it, not Spanish, but yeah yeah, absolutely, he's not Luchador, but it's fine All right your question, my question, which actually comes off the back of your question yes, so when James Gunn was let go of his position, they were still going to use something of his for the movie?

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What was?

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Were they still going to use his script?

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Sort of script?

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Yeah, sort of.

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I would like my clue.

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It's something before the script is screen.

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Test his screen, his computer generated effects, his screen play, his screenplay.

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So the little drawings that they do up to try and test that out like to make sort of like the it's the blueprint of how the movie is going to shape.

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Um, they were going to use that still as the basis of the movie.

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Really, they'll get jakey idea, just run with it and just write their own scripts and back it.

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Yeah, you know what, though I don't think it would have landed, because it's almost like following a famous chef's recipe you can have the instructions written down for you, you follow them perfectly.

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But the thing that makes the best souffle is love when cooking that souffle, and I think James's poured a lot of his own griefs and traumas into little bits of these characters, and because they're little bits of him he cares so much.

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But he also can fully retell them and fully create them in the most visceral way possible.

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So I don't think, even with the same screenplay, it would have ended up as being successful as it was no, because they had to write the script, so everything that was written probably would have been different.

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So interactions between saying and then moving different, how the actors probably moving different, like yeah, I think he has such a really good way of of writing dialogue as well, because not only were a lot of the scenes in the Guardians of the Galaxy both either really funny, like they make, after years of not watching Guardians 1 and going back and watching, I actually laughed again at a movie I'd seen many, many times, so the dialogue is actually funny and not such a comic book or campy thing to say.

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I think it's really grounded dialogue for the space opera setting that it's in, and that is a really hard thing to do.

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A lot of screenwriters and scriptwriters say that it is so hard to write authentic dialogue, and James Gunn is able to do that as well, so I think that also comes back to knowing the character so well.

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All right, so I don't know if I get that because I had so many guesses.

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I mean, look, I just needed some help.

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You didn't get to the right like you knew what.

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You knew what I meant.

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Yes, all right, so we have 13 points, which means we need two more before our audience member gets a family pass to the movies.

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Okay, I am going to talk this time about so for this question, james Gunn used a technique in cinema which is called diegetic something, and basically what it means is that a technique that is usually used for only the audience.

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In a diegetic film, it is used for the characters in the movie to experience as well as the audience to experience.

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Do you know what James Gunn did with this diegetic?

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blank.

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Yeah, probably should have paid more attention when I did, when I went to film school, do you?

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want to clear.

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Yes, please, okay.

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So this element of James Gunn's movies is prominent through Guardians 1, 2, and 3.

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It is a very famous element of the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy and I think that not only did a lot of people buy the movie or the DVD or the Blu-ray or go to the movies to see it, but they also bought this other item which is part of the diegetic element that I'm talking about the soundtrack.

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It is the soundtrack.

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Yes, so diegetic soundtrack means that not only the audience can hear the music but the characters in the movie.

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Yeah, that's diegetic soundtracks.

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So basically the Zune gifted to Quill at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2.

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James Gunn personally selected those tracks, spending multiple decades, that the audience could hear but the characters could also hear as well.

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And the best part about Ingard is the Galaxy Volume 3.

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I mean the Awesome Mix.

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Volume 1 is probably the most popular Awesome Mix, but to me I think the Awesome Mix Volume 3 is the best in terms of the way that it functions as a storytelling device, because in the first instance of this movie you hear that song Creep by.

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That just purely sets the scene for Rocket Raccoon.

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So when we're talking about creep.

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You know there are a couple of lines that I've picked out here that I want to tell you about.

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So the first lines in that song, creep, is when you were here before couldn't look you in the eye, and immediately we're given a shot of Rocket Raccoon's eyes.

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But also we get that sense of his unworthiness, his struggles with vulnerability and that fact that he really resists want to feel close to anybody in the instance that they might be taken away.

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So he feels out of place, even amongst lots of people on Nowhere.

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You see him walking alone and then you see him casually singing some of the lines you know I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo, what the hell am I doing here?

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I don't belong here.

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These are all lines of Rocket's internal monologue and it's put to the forefront for us to see.

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And also here James Gunn is basically telling us this is the tale that is being told, and to be able to perfectly pick a song to relate to a character and put it into a movie is just talent.

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I love that.

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And then later on in the movie, at the very end of Rocket's arc, when he goes through all his drama and he feels better, he plays the Dog Days Are Over by Florence and the Machine, and that is a song that is about a person who goes through a lot of bad things and is faced with unfathomable happiness and then can't help but be happy because of it are over, the dog days are done, but the suffering and the sorrow is over.

00:31:03.195 --> 00:31:07.496
And in that incident you see Rocket and Groot dancing with one another because they just can't help to be happy.

00:31:07.496 --> 00:31:08.141
They're around everybody.

00:31:08.141 --> 00:31:09.105
They're around everybody that they love.

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They've gone through various different traumas and they've healed from them or they've moved forward together.

00:31:13.747 --> 00:31:19.502
And just that way that he layers this soundtrack and the songs that he picks into this diegetic soundtrack is masterful.

00:31:19.502 --> 00:31:22.486
Always great to hear James Gunn Music soundtrack compilation.

00:31:22.486 --> 00:31:24.588
But that means we've got 14 points, which means one more.

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I have a question.

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Guardians of the Galaxy broke a record.

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What was it, or any more information?

00:31:29.154 --> 00:31:29.895
They set a record.

00:31:29.895 --> 00:31:35.769
Is this in terms of, like a movie record, or did it influence people to do something kind of record?

00:31:35.848 --> 00:31:42.309
No, no, no, it was a movie record, not only one that they won an award for an award show, award for an award show, but it's like, it's like a game sport.

00:31:42.329 --> 00:31:43.231
Oh, I do know this one.

00:31:43.231 --> 00:31:49.311
They had the most uses of prosthetics in any movie whatsoever yeah, maybe made it too easy.

00:31:49.332 --> 00:31:52.385
Yes, no, that was it damn, maybe made it too easy no, I just read a lot.

00:31:53.307 --> 00:31:53.730
That was a good one.

00:31:53.730 --> 00:31:54.698
It almost slipped my mind too.

00:31:54.698 --> 00:32:09.272
But yeah, especially those scenes on counter earth where you see the people meshed with animals, yeah, those are all prosthetically made and you know, looking at them, that's probably I hate to say it, but it's probably the least strong element of the movie for me is looking at those prospects, because some of them look a little bit dinky.

00:32:09.272 --> 00:32:20.731
But I think it fits because obviously the high evolutionary seeking perfection and he hasn't got it yet yeah, he's looking at all these individuals and thinking that they're not quite where he wants them to be and that's why he rinses and repeats and redoes and incinerates everything as he goes.

00:32:20.731 --> 00:32:30.709
But but yeah, I thought what a brilliant effort by a production crew to make that many costumes and prosthetics and a cast of extras as well, to undergo that amount of makeup and hair on a daily basis.

00:32:30.769 --> 00:32:36.907
Yeah, that would be a grueling task to have to sit there and get that kind of prosthetics for you 100%.

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Alright, so that means our Emily gets to go to the movies because we've got 15 points, but we're still going to play the end of our Fandom Facts face-off, even though we've got our prize.

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I really wanted to draw that and make it last the next week, but oh well, no, that's all good.

00:32:46.952 --> 00:32:47.493
I think that's great.

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The Guardians of the Galaxy movie Guardians of the Galaxy 3, really emphasized a particular aspect of this movie, and by that I mean that all the trailers and the promotional material really emphasized the fact that something was happening, and to the point where even cast members were confirming multiple times through multiple interviews that this would be happening in terms of this Guardians movie in the MCU.

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Do you know what they emphasised as part of their marketing campaign?

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That'll be the last one.

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Yes, I thought that was hard.

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But yes, exactly Because that was my.

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If that wasn't the right answer, then I would have no idea what it was, because I honestly barely saw any of the trailers because I was trying not to spoil myself, so I barely watched all the marketing.

00:33:40.666 --> 00:33:42.712
But I assume that they're pushing to something.

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The only thing they can really push would be the fact that it's the last one.

00:33:45.078 --> 00:33:53.634
Even though they said Star-Lord will return, the Guardians will return, at the end of the second one or the end of the first one, they said that and then this one is just the Star-Lord.

00:33:54.144 --> 00:34:07.548
The legendary Star-Lord will return, even to the point where the main movie poster said once Throughout all of the press interviews they had a confirmation from James Gunn that he said this would be his last Marvel project and given what he had to go through to get it done, I don't blame him.

00:34:07.548 --> 00:34:12.552
Dave Bautista said he wouldn't return for any more future MCU installments and he wouldn't return as Drax.

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He says in quotes.

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I'm completely closed to it.

00:34:14.367 --> 00:34:17.670
Unless James Gunn asked him directly, he thinks that Drax's arc is fully closed.

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